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		<title>By: Samuel L.</title>
		<link>http://bgpmon.net/blog/?p=108&#038;cpage=1#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading through the  article, I   feel that I   need more information on the topic. Could you share some more resources  ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading through the  article, I   feel that I   need more information on the topic. Could you share some more resources  ?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Verlouw</title>
		<link>http://bgpmon.net/blog/?p=108&#038;cpage=1#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Verlouw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andree,
that makes sense, thanks for the explanation.
Traffic stats for the AS12859 relay: http://teredo.bit.nl/ (this is on interface level, so IPv4 + IPv6 aggregated).

Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andree,<br />
that makes sense, thanks for the explanation.<br />
Traffic stats for the AS12859 relay: <a href="http://teredo.bit.nl/" rel="nofollow">http://teredo.bit.nl/</a> (this is on interface level, so IPv4 + IPv6 aggregated).</p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: andree</title>
		<link>http://bgpmon.net/blog/?p=108&#038;cpage=1#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>andree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel,

The text &quot;Click on the entry to see which AS&#039;s are using this Teredo relay &quot; is actually not quite correct. It should be:
&quot;Click on the entry to see which RIS peer AS&#039;s are using this Teredo relay&quot;

Regarding the issue &quot;AS12859 is using the relay in AS1257&quot;.
You will see first-seen 2008-10-01 last-seen 2008-10-01
Apparently BIT/ AS12859 has been using (maybe temporary) this relay in October 2008 for a while. 

According to the same analysis AS12859 has started announcing it&#039;s own relay server somewhere that same month (October 2008) :
http://www.bgpmon.net/teredo.php?detail=12859 
I think this is a great initiative!  It looks that quite some others are using this teredo relay. I wonder how much traffic a typical teredo relay generates? It seems Tele2 is handling around 190Mb/s (&lt;a href=&quot;http://ipv6.tele2.net/mrtg/kst-teredo-1.swip.net.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ipv6.tele2.net/mrtg/kst-teredo-1.swip.net.html&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daniel,</p>
<p>The text &#8220;Click on the entry to see which AS&#8217;s are using this Teredo relay &#8221; is actually not quite correct. It should be:<br />
&#8220;Click on the entry to see which RIS peer AS&#8217;s are using this Teredo relay&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding the issue &#8220;AS12859 is using the relay in AS1257&#8243;.<br />
You will see first-seen 2008-10-01 last-seen 2008-10-01<br />
Apparently BIT/ AS12859 has been using (maybe temporary) this relay in October 2008 for a while. </p>
<p>According to the same analysis AS12859 has started announcing it&#8217;s own relay server somewhere that same month (October 2008) :<br />
<a href="http://www.bgpmon.net/teredo.php?detail=12859" rel="nofollow">http://www.bgpmon.net/teredo.php?detail=12859</a><br />
I think this is a great initiative!  It looks that quite some others are using this teredo relay. I wonder how much traffic a typical teredo relay generates? It seems Tele2 is handling around 190Mb/s (<a href="http://ipv6.tele2.net/mrtg/kst-teredo-1.swip.net.html" rel="nofollow">http://ipv6.tele2.net/mrtg/kst-teredo-1.swip.net.html</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: andree</title>
		<link>http://bgpmon.net/blog/?p=108&#038;cpage=1#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>andree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Martin,
Thanks for catching the typo. That&#039;s fixed now.

Regarding the definition of last-seen. BGPmon.net uses the RIS bgp data sources to detect hijacks and things suchs as 6to4 and teredo prefixes. These data files contain BGP updates and withdraw messages.

If for example the prefix 2002::/16 is seen in the update, the timestamp, origin AS and (ris)peerAS are extracted. This data is stored in the database. The last-seen field is represents when was the last time an update for this prefix, from this originAS and peer AS was seen.
So last-seen indicated when the last update was seen, it does not mean that was the last time the prefix was in the RIBs.  

It&#039;s perfectly possible to have different last-seen times for the IPv4 and IPv6 anycast  prefix. As they are announced as different prefixes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martin,<br />
Thanks for catching the typo. That&#8217;s fixed now.</p>
<p>Regarding the definition of last-seen. BGPmon.net uses the RIS bgp data sources to detect hijacks and things suchs as 6to4 and teredo prefixes. These data files contain BGP updates and withdraw messages.</p>
<p>If for example the prefix 2002::/16 is seen in the update, the timestamp, origin AS and (ris)peerAS are extracted. This data is stored in the database. The last-seen field is represents when was the last time an update for this prefix, from this originAS and peer AS was seen.<br />
So last-seen indicated when the last update was seen, it does not mean that was the last time the prefix was in the RIBs.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s perfectly possible to have different last-seen times for the IPv4 and IPv6 anycast  prefix. As they are announced as different prefixes.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Verlouw</title>
		<link>http://bgpmon.net/blog/?p=108&#038;cpage=1#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Verlouw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the lists to see which AS&#039;s are using a certain Teredo relay seems to be incorrect. For example, if I click on AS1257, it shows AS12859 is using the relay in AS1257 which I know for a fact is not the case ;-) AS12859 does accept the prefix from AS1257, but it&#039;s not active.

Also, the list seems to be incomplete, I know for a fact that many more AS&#039;s are using the AS12859 relay, for example:

route-server.he.net&gt; sh ipv6 bgp 2001::/32
BGP routing table entry for 2001::/32
Paths: (4 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table)
  Advertised to non peer-group peers:
  2001:838:1:1:210:dcff:fe20:7c7c
  12859
    2001:7f8:1::a501:2859:2 from 2001:470:0:12::1 (216.218.252.173)
      Origin IGP, metric 1, localpref 140, valid, internal, best
      Community: 6939:1000 6939:6000 12859:3001 12859:4000
      Originator: 216.218.252.173, Cluster list: 216.218.252.170 
      Last update: Fri Jan 16 08:19:40 2009</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the lists to see which AS&#8217;s are using a certain Teredo relay seems to be incorrect. For example, if I click on AS1257, it shows AS12859 is using the relay in AS1257 which I know for a fact is not the case <img src='http://bgpmon.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  AS12859 does accept the prefix from AS1257, but it&#8217;s not active.</p>
<p>Also, the list seems to be incomplete, I know for a fact that many more AS&#8217;s are using the AS12859 relay, for example:</p>
<p>route-server.he.net&gt; sh ipv6 bgp 2001::/32<br />
BGP routing table entry for 2001::/32<br />
Paths: (4 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table)<br />
  Advertised to non peer-group peers:<br />
  2001:838:1:1:210:dcff:fe20:7c7c<br />
  12859<br />
    2001:7f8:1::a501:2859:2 from 2001:470:0:12::1 (216.218.252.173)<br />
      Origin IGP, metric 1, localpref 140, valid, internal, best<br />
      Community: 6939:1000 6939:6000 12859:3001 12859:4000<br />
      Originator: 216.218.252.173, Cluster list: 216.218.252.170<br />
      Last update: Fri Jan 16 08:19:40 2009</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Levy</title>
		<link>http://bgpmon.net/blog/?p=108&#038;cpage=1#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys!  Two things:

1) There&#039;s a typo on the URL&#039;s on this page - it&#039;s the ones in ()&#039;s.
2) What&#039;s the definition of &quot;last seen&quot; when the &quot;IPv4 anycast&quot; is newer? How can that happen - If you know it&#039;s still anycasting then the last seen date would be the same.

Thanks in advance,

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys!  Two things:</p>
<p>1) There&#8217;s a typo on the URL&#8217;s on this page &#8211; it&#8217;s the ones in ()&#8217;s.<br />
2) What&#8217;s the definition of &#8220;last seen&#8221; when the &#8220;IPv4 anycast&#8221; is newer? How can that happen &#8211; If you know it&#8217;s still anycasting then the last seen date would be the same.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance,</p>
<p>Martin</p>
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